Well, I wont get into detail here but I am sure not every Egyptian man are the same but I am also sure that MOST OF THEM ARE LIKE THIS. And I suspect that I would hate and castrate all men because I was a victim of sexual abuse. Why not try wielding that light yourself? They come from a country where sex is not a choice nor is it freely practiced. In our culture marriage proposal means forever and to be committed with someone forever. We are hoping she will regain sense whilst she is in Singapore. Engagement, for PRACTICING muslims, is a time where couples get to know each other. After his last beating on me. He will offer you a dowry or it is perfectly plausible for you to ask for one. He hates when you are being “nekadeyya” We all know that Egyptian men always accuse their women of being drama queens. However it still remained all my fault that he cheated. It was 2008 and i was new in that country. She cares only about status, wealth and being a "social butterfly" i.e. With Alfred Hitchcock, Polly Bergen, Joe Maross, Frank Albertson. When i say he will pay i mean he will pay ALL your expenses ALLLLLLLLLLLLL.. Egyptian women endure all kinds of humiliation from their husbands. My plane tickets and expenses were all paid for when i travelled to Egypt. And if one must "Stay away" from those men, then I believe it's best to stay away from all men, cause there's a possibility that all of them are exactly the same in other societies as well. Perhaps what Sandy meant when she stated that Egyptian women are "best equipped" to deal with their men was that Egyptian women have an idea of what they might be getting into and therefore can expect some abuse. As far as I comprehend; Men in general do change after marriage and a great deal of them are indeed abusive towards the spouses, So it's only fair to say that men are abusive "if you wish to slander/document :P" rather than Egyptian men are abusive.When you talk about testosterone, it's pretty much universal, when you talk about Egyptians (both genders); it's pretty much dysfunctional.So you can put it this way; Egyptian men are dysfunctional abusive partners and women are better off without them, cause you don't want both bad traits "Egyptian" and "man" in a person to commit too...And I'm being sarcastic btw .. i agree with anonymous, we need to hear the other party storybut generallyman superiority is a disease, that can be redeemed by setting basic rules from the very first day of the relationshipif a woman respect herself, the man will respect herif the woman is independant financially, the man wont dare to use money against hermen 3'er tatwil, what i wanna say is that it is easy to blame men, but i am trying in this phase of my life to understand why they turned to be like this... and to what extent women share in this transformationmy warmest regards to you dear. its all about islam , the source of all evils, "AGAIN as usual"!!!!! Namely: Should you ever trust what a woman tells you? It is simply unfair to say that this behavior only applies to one culture. I speak Arabic as I worked in Riyadh for 8 years in medical so was more than enthusiastic to continue a conversation with Mohamed to attach me to the reminaisance of my past time there. There are abusive Egyptian men, and there are men who would never raise a hand on their woman. If you find a good one and BOTH of you are prepared to make some compromises (not just you) he will make a great husband.. You WILL have to make changes if you want to be married and so will he. What I want to say is after being married twice to American men and never being abused by either of them...I have witnessed the same abuse and superiority that you speak of but it is with American men and their inferior American wives and girlfriends...white, black, indian, latinos, etc. If you live your life according to these factors...then the world would be seriously "F"d up. I promise you, they will love you if you are honest. Trusting God can be a challenge - but there are many reasons why you should trust Him. Another revealing look at the not so pretty side of Egyptian society. I am an Egyptian and am happily married to a European.I love her so much and I thank God for blessing me with her. No one has hobbies or does anything. She seemed completely brainwashed and was even willing to ignore my parents request not to. He wont allow anything to come between you at all under any circumstances.. A sad state of affairs indeed. "Domestic Espionage"I like this phrase, I'm gonna steal it.I disagree tho as to 'where they came from' - this is purely a chicken & the egg argument; how far do we have to go back to determine the very first emotionally abusive individual who suppressed their offspring and started this big ball of complete emotional dysfuntion rolling?I'd like to go back in time and murder the dildo that instituted all this patriarchal horseshit, it's achieved nothing productive, not only that, it's causing people to tighten thier grip on religion even more. * If this man is so Islamic, why would he fall in love with a christian anyway. He refused and in the end I had him removed by the police. Both men and women do it. It is not allowed to hurt your wife in Islam. We keep the good apples and throw the bad ones out. Being from Canada I have to really wonder why I thought that seeing, talking to, being around, dating or marrying an Egyptian man would be so easy and wonderful. Those monsters were created inside our homes. So it is safer to not trust anything a drunk person says, that way you do not get your hopes up and are subsequently disappointed in the end. I am so thankfull that I and my son are away from him right now. adding their culture and beliefs to the already confusing and frustration culture mess I was this issue of Egyptian people is unbelievable.I am so glad that I stepped back and did some research on these people first before becoming involved with a man in this country. It is true that he will be a little weird about letting you, but let me put some perspective on this for you. He even deleted my relatives and friends numbers in my phone, only he left his number and my moms number. FACT ..If he asks you to do that. It sounds like you have been hurt and now dispies Egyptian men because of your past pain...regardless if you are of the same race or not. We are not perfect and we all do wrong things. It will show even if he is invisable. from there.. when u r talking on skype.. u can check and see if his yahoo is open. Personally, i feel that a family having reservations about someone from a diff culture is a normal reaction, as my family had reservations about him too at the start. very nice postFinding The Right Partner and Finding True Love. He genuinely wont mean any harm.You will b in foreign country not knowing your way around, the traffic, language and the mentality of people etc You may go into a shop for example and be seriously overcharged.. . Of course he is Egyptian and was working in Saudi Arabia at the time. When with him i paid for nothing. You better take an HIV/AIDS test fast because 85% of Egyptian men have engaged in homosexual activity. Thats all you need !!!! I hope that those bad Egyptian husbands would start learning about the duties of the husband in Islam and use the example of the Prophet Muhammad as a role model.Among the most impressive verses in the Quran about marriage is the following.“And among His signs is this: That He created mates for you from yourselves that you may find rest, peace of mind in them, and He ordained between you love and mercy. I think that its a good sign because it means that everything is serious!!! I never did once. The convert's will not be Muslim's for long. I do consider myself superior but not because of my fair skin - not sure where you got that idea.Narrow-minded? Your hands finger aren't the same, How did u know that all egyption men are bad to be involved . To those googling "I'm in love with a Muslim man", Where is the Truth Hiding When No One is Looking for it, My insight about Islam and why a Non Muslim woman can fit in this ideology, Why Eternal Fulfillment is of Love/Respect is Hard to See. Hot Topics . me? Egyptian women will try to make their Egyptian spouses into their sons, because that's what their mothers told them; upon first meeting, an Egyptian woman will always seek out her Egyptian man's female relatives, and they will form an axis of pure fucking evil against said man, trading secrets on how to manipulate him, what makes him angry, how to really wind him up.This goes on throughout the entire relationship, the man's mother taking a strange woman's side over her own son. IF you met him online, chances are he could be sweet talking another woman at the same time hahahah. I don't know how to get rid of him, he refuses to leave the house and every time I dare to say anything against him, he becomes abusive and manipulative. but i cant.. Only a tap is allowed and this was referenced in the Quran, purely so there would be no injustice and because the Quran references every subject..even sensitive ones. I met my Egyptian husband 4 years ago in Cairo, at the time I was working and living there. He pays child support to not get deported but never comes to see his son. Babies are expected from marriage.Thats it.!! Sometimes we women have a hard time discerning things when we are in love (men too). Hatred requires alot of effort & is completely counterproductive. So you have to say that just for your near friend to advice you , or to just comfurt , not in public to describe in wrong way .many Thanx, Interesting article but i really don't like the Post subject relation ship warning If sandy field in her relation, So i think there are a reason whether from her or him . Although Mohammed married an older woman, and it can be considered sunnah.. realistically speaking, men dont want that.. Young men like that want families.. they are born to make make babies and have a family.. That is, if they are not too emotionally disturbed and if they subscribe to usual moral rules. You will be even given a few egyptian pounds for the tip for the attendant. I am not here to judge anyones situation .or tell you mine.. You know what is worse than being a woman harassed or abused by Egyptian Man? The Egyptian nationality law is based on a mixture the principles of Jus sanguinis and Jus soli with some alterations. In saying that, if you want to go out, he will go with you, he wont say no to actually going out.,he will just be weird about you going out alone.Egyptian men are notoriously protective of women, When on the street, he will walk on the traffic side. Though many of my friends and even my mom told me not to get involve with egyptian men. (out of record). OMG! However, if you’re a girl and you’re getting married, you don’t get to live with your family anymore. So you have to say that just for your near friend to advice you , or to just Comfort ur self, not in public to describe in wrong way .many Thanx. Your hands finger aren't the same, How did u know that all egyption men are bad to be involved . Same feeling here, Ella, while we make great efforts to integrate their culture, Basis of Anthipathy Towards Judeo-Christian (Messianic) Beliefs, Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women, Hijab should not be used to exemplify diversity, To Fatou: we wish we were discarded by your men!/ Thank us for warning you that they don't respect you either, Hijab should not be presented as a symbol of diversity, Fatou: We wish they discard us!/ you should thank us for warning you, Reply about Married- and why are you using my name, Islam is the worst, Muslim countries will never prosper they just get worse, You're very right, that's why our women need to be aware of this. just because his friends and relatives had another option in mind for him that suit "them" better. and I thought my head was twisted up. But I also believe Egyptian women are a big part of the problem. My husband was the most relaxed, easy-going, liberal and damn nice guy when i met him in Dubai. he is only interested in sex. If this is the case...I would hate everyone in this world that do not look like me...brown skinned, with dark eyes and long wavy hair. ), 1 readers online now  |  69 million page views, Advice to Non-Muslim Women against Marrying Muslim Men, To Brainwashed Smasher about the true meaning of nikah, To Sherry: Veils for answering the nature's call, the Muslim men's right to rape the unveiled women. If he is content just to marry you islamically and not interested much in the legal side of things, chances are that its not a visa he is after.. cos as we all know, legal marriage is nearly a requirement of bringing someone to ur country. "Godless Saracens Threatening Destruction": Part II, Harvard's Counter Teach-In, 50 Years Later, Muslim Life in 2021, as Predicted in 1921. tax-deductible donation to the Middle East Forum. Yes we are much better equipped to deal with Egyptian men. There are so many rules, and everything changes. I will try to be as objective and as removed as possible ... Those of you who know me in person or who have been reading my blog posts for long know exactly where I stand. I am American and I have yet to meet an American man that is committed and loving. You cant just leave an egyptian man - their families are all in on it, their friends are - get out while you still can We are hoping if this is the last 2 weeks we have left with her, we hope the counselling will change her mind.She was married to the perfect husband for 4 years. This mentality will never change until women stop perpetuating this shit and accepting this abusive behavior as proof of a good strong man in control. Sandy's ex-husband had his mother backing him, and probably she was the one who chose his new veiled wife. it can be quite common for engagements to be broken. He wud never allow anyone to catch you.. lol . They will hear that and feel proud. I believe you meant to write فقيه not فقهي. Sometimes an egyptian man can be stubborn and awkward and this will show through.. but believe me, if he thinks your relationship is in even a tiny bit of trouble, he will sort it. As a test.. You can learn how to trust again. Be aware, family are hugely involved in each others lives in egypt. Yes they can be trusted. Jefferey Dahmer had fair skin too, he also killed people and ate them, but you can overlook that since he's so shiny & white, hence superior to "disgusting brown people".So you take one bad example and paint millions of egyptian men with the same brush; let's apply your logic to the other side of the coin:Do not get involved with egyptioan women.Egyptian women will not be satisfied with you, an egyptian man, unless you relenquish complete control over to the little harpy bitch and put your balls in her purse.She cares only about status, wealth and being a "social butterfly" i.e. im sure we have all lightly tapped our best buddys or our spouses, this is the light tap i mean.. as if u tap ur buddy and say .. hey mate.. look at that!! If a man has accounts all over the place, hes a pro in sweet talking women..... doing this helps u to know more about his character. They brought out the worst in them. He wont allow anything to come between you at all under any circumstances.. they would say. That hardly constitutes hatred, or flattery for that matter. and even before this tap occurs.. other courses of actions must be exhausted.. He and I are never apart for longer than a day and cherish each other so much. This only works for yahoo addresses but it does work. A Horror i can tell. Sober people lie, sober people tell the truth. That must have been the worst experience of her life anywhere in the world. My life is complicated enough having three different people and cultures in my family that dont like each other as well as many of the same culture not liking half breeds. They have to stop spoiling their sons and doting on them and raising them with the notion that they are superior to women. Every 3 minutes i need to miscall him. Everyone is a Saint, and everyone is a Devil. The 3 "I’s" above tell you whether or not you can trust the man you’re dating. I think you need to ask your self has he done anything that has made you feel you can't trust him rather than can you trust Egyptian men as some men are trust worthy where as others aren't. It is a risk that you have to take and the more you pay attention to the signs, the easier it will be to tell if you can trust your man. I smiled so hard actually as I’m an Egyptian, although i felt sorry for what happened for you, trust me we Egyptians here facing a lot of issues like this daily, anyway i hope your life here is less-complicated than what went on your wedding,and thanks for … Fixing our dear Ajda poor Arabic: Salaam Alaikum (sic) it is السلام عليكم, Full hafiz Muslims and the ignorance of the Arabic language, Yes most Asian are well behave and avoid trouble at all cause Alicia, Irreconcilable cultural differences and Women's rights on Muslim marriages, Reasons to be scared and run from Muslim men. :(. A Decent Egyptian man who loves you will do anything to make you feel good. I can't imagine my life without the influence of the great women who contributed to it; my mother, my aunt, my grandma, my sister and my lovely wife, God bless them all. but dont think he is bad cos he kissed you.. In other words, both place of birth and Egyptian parentage are relevant for determining whether a person is an Egyptian citizen. She joined IslamOnline website and made contact with many other men from Middle East, especially a particular one from EGYPT. Comments are screened and in some cases edited before posting. The whole relationship was exhausting. Jealousy is sexy and every man likes to feel that his woman cares about him, but that doesn’t mean you should follow him everywhere he goes or drop an ear to his phone calls. I don't think he did the first couple of years. After 3 months of dating he started to open up about marriage. Marriage had been brought up many times by himself from after about 3 months into our relationship. Well just to finish the fairytale, we have been now married for two years, he is the most beautiful awesome man I have ever met, he showers me with love and gifts, never speaks a harsh work or criticises me and allows me my freedom to be me. maybe ... but narrow-minded is certainly a person who would let his "dick" sign such an odd comment. Lo, herein indeed are signs for people who reflect.” (Quran 30:2 1).Prophet Muhammad. A battered wife. * Found at Genesis 3:15 , the prophecy states that God would produce a “seed,” or offspring, who would crush Satan and his “seed” —those who adopt Satan’s wicked ways. I was 23 years old that time and he was 24 years old. What I want to know is the other side of the story. He told his egyptian friends different story. My sister, a Singapore Muslim was married to an American who converted for her. Reasoned disagreement is welcome but not comments that are scurrilous, off-topic, commercial, disparaging religions, or otherwise inappropriate. Their expectations completely change. !I couldn't resist. There are so many factors that play into all of this. I know i will face crap over saying this for sure.. but there are rules.. strict ones in this issue. This behaviour was with 30 year old men. He may be used to this, but trust me, it … About polygamy, temporary marriages and divorce according to Sharia Law (non Muslim women dating Muslim men should read it), AVCR touched upon a very important phenomenon, Palestinian Muslims and Younger Muslim Men, Freedom of speech and the value of my life, Alicia: Excellent post and on being a skeptic, Attention, Dr Pipes, please do not allow personal attacks on the forum, To Ajda and those who want to learn the truth about Muslim men, There's no men of purity, beware of STD, dowry and cult techniques, Problem is they can use Islam to delude rightly, I became a better person after I left him and Islam, Women at fault? And he ask me to put down the police case.But i was so hard at him and he left the country went back to his home. !Mohamed was my best friend - but he also had an awful, unforgivable side. You are no longer the girlfriend but the "wife" - your importance is 10 fold, but so are the expectations on behaviour. They’re your rock, and you turn to them first before anyone else. i suggest u research.. but the disciplinary action in Islam is extremely light.. sooooo light.. its like a tap !! To N and S: some replies to your questions and resources for you! And yes...I am 45 and he is 28..love can happen even in the greyest form of doubt. Americans also know that restraining order is about as strong as the paper it's written on. As much as women are victims, these men are victims too but harder to understand it. I hope you understand what im trying to get across here. Not new from the Islamic perspective. how did u know that all of other relationship between Egyption and foreigner didn't work and ended by divorce , about me , in my opinion , i know that the problem in the foreign Woman , not from the man side , but i can't say that all women are the same . Be respectful and have manners. If i fail to do that he will get as mad as u can imagine. Egyptian men aren't the only men capable of spousal violence, negligence, and change after marriage. It is highly unforgiveable. I talked about that into more detail.The thing is .. the women you dislike were created by mothers who were married to the type of men that I dislike ... Those mothers have suffered all sorts of humiliation be it betrayal or emotional abuse to the extent of giving birth to a poisoned breed of "ducks" & "dicks"Such mothers taught their girls to hunt a man's purse ... to chain his balls ... to mess up his brains ... and that is the only survival strategy they know.Those girls were trained to lie because they were taught that men do not appreciate the truth.They were trained to fake "everything" because being genuine does not earn them any bonus points.They were taught the laws of domestic espionage to keep the man leached.Yes .. you are right .. there are lots of those ... but go back to the beginning of my comment to remember where they came from. Family - There are many lovely lovely families in Egypt. When you get as old as I am and have seen the things I have, and dealt with as many races....then I think you can have a pretty accurate opinion on just one culture. He dont accept his own mistakes he thinks what he think and do is all ryt! This might happen even to the best of men. Sometimes when you use toilets in Egypt there are attendants working on tips basis. He will panic if its a visa he is after.. Islamic marriages is not legally recognised in some western countries due to issues with polygamy. THe one above about money.. he cant ask you for any. Thank God there are some loving caring Egyptian men who respect women and I know this for sure. It can be normal for a Muslim man to approach a woman for marriage quite quickly by way of engagement.. The men can be extremely jealous and really do change character after marriage. He tracks her down despite … I think you, stating that all Egyptian men are exactly the same is incorrect. You know that. You all are! A Decent Egyptian man who loves you will do anything to make you feel good. We have been married for almost 7 years now and I think these were the best years of my life. They will assume all male friends must be madly in love with you like they are, or want to have sex with you. A man who doesn't is one who isn't worth your time or energy. I think that they become abusive when envious and jealous friends , family and society dictates them that they should not marry a foreigner or a woman that smokes cigarettes or wear certain clothes... men are a scarce commodity in egypt and a source of revenue (etc) for most egyptian females (pushed by their families). The changes started in Egypt. If you are going to be sucked in, give yourself a chance !! Ask him to marry you URFI if you want.. just to see what he says.. Pretend you are ignorant about the fact its a shame.. pretend you know nothing.. and then act shocked when he tells you noway !! Islamic Tabrir and does the word الصلاة also mean الرحمة? However, nobody can answer your question but you as it is only you who knows this man and only you who can judge him on his behaviour towards you. if u normally talk on msn or skype for example, you can always say ur msn wont open and ask him if he has got yahoo !! He manipulated me into giving up everything I liked about my life in Cairo. We often went out drinking and had so much FUN together in general. You will probably think im a bit nuts after giving you the following tips but i dont care. I love my husbands mother and father and i would die if anything happened to them and i really feel loved by them. I learned the hard way, a leopard does not change his spots. My different faces; the good, the bad, and the ugly! I know all too well about the sad state of egyptian men and the way they treat their spouses, however, egyptian women are really nothing to write home about, they are afflicted with the same social malaise as their male counterparts.Let's take you for example, someone who beleives herself to be superior because she has "white" skin, sorry to burst your bubble but you're just one among millions of ethnocentric egyptian women who believe themselves to be superior based on fair skin. It is an ego thing as well as religious.From his ego point of view, he would fear others thinking him worthless having to scrounge off his wife etc They fancy themselves as providers, with the ability to take care of his wife and family. (P) said:The best of you is the best to his family and I am the best among you to my family.The most perfect believers are the best in conduct and best of you are those who are best to their wives. )In Egypt men get away with a lot, most "incidents" are brushed under the carpet and forgiven. Thank you, finally some truth! Even if you’ve been deeply wounded or have experienced traumatic episodes of betrayal, you don’t have to let another person’s untrustworthiness affect your ability to trust. The rules on relationships very much change once you are married along with what you can do, and who you can spend time with. I feel bad for Sandy and wonder myself about Arab men in general. Sometimes visit visas are hard to get, but, if he has the funds required to marry in the first place, and the good job required to marry in the first place, he can apply.. Through all his stubbornness and awkwardness, you will be his everything as with anyone who is in love, if he feels he would lose you, he would panic.. Egyptian men get a hard time.. and believe me.. some of the idiots deserve the reputation they get.. but not all.. It's nice now to be free. Ask him to marry you islamically only in YOUR country ( i do not recommend doing that in reality, just as a test). And they like to manipulate and control there woman. He is so very nice guy and very attractive. And girls will read this warning and feel happy that they won't have to compete with foreign women.